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	<title>A Foolish Consistency &#187; associates</title>
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		<title>Another One Bites the Dust</title>
		<link>http://trudalane.net/2009/10/02/another-one-bites-the-dust/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Randall</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Legal Profession]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend&#8217;s daughter just announced that she is voluntarily leaving her position as a Big Law fourth-year associate to join a smaller litigation firm.  I won&#8217;t name the firm she is leaving but it always appears on lists of the country&#8217;s top ten corporate law practices.  She has an impeccable academic pedigree and coming out [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>A friend&#8217;s daughter just announced that she is voluntarily leaving her position as a Big <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">Law</a> fourth-year associate to join a smaller litigation firm.  I won&#8217;t name the firm she is leaving but it always appears on lists of the country&#8217;s top ten corporate <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> practices.  She has an impeccable academic pedigree and coming out of <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law-school/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with Law School">law school</a> had multiple offers from top Boston firms.  She has not been laid off or cut for sub-par performance.  After successfully chasing the prize her whole life she caught it&#8211;and hated it.  She hated the firm&#8217;s culture, the way partners treated <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">associates</a>, the constant tension and pressure.  She wants more control over her life and a workplace that doesn&#8217;t tie her in knots.  She is thus like most young <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">associates</a>, those golden girls and boys wooed by promises of fat paychecks and practice at the profession&#8217;s pinnacle only to leave big-firm practice well before partnership.  It&#8217;s a remarkably inefficient system.</p>
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		<title>Be Real</title>
		<link>http://trudalane.net/2009/09/28/1840/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Randall</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Law School]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Legal Profession]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[corporate law]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Recently a blog reader suggested, after reading Considering Law School?, that I am down on law school.  I&#8217;ve thought about her observation quite a bit.  I don&#8217;t think my thoughts about becoming a lawyer have changed much in the past decade.  Are recent posts about law as a career choice more critical than my posts [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>Recently a blog reader suggested, after reading <a href="http://trudalane.net/2009/09/11/considering-law-school-2/">Considering Law School?</a>, that I am down on <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law-school/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with Law School">law school</a>.  I&#8217;ve thought about her observation quite a bit.  I don&#8217;t think my thoughts about becoming a lawyer have changed much in the past decade.  Are recent posts about <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> as a career choice more critical than my posts of a few years ago?  I&#8217;ve counseled caution before the recent bear legal market.  <a href="http://trudalane.net/2008/01/22/dont-go-to-law-school/">Don&#8217;t Go To Law School</a>, <a href="http://trudalane.net/2007/11/21/the-purpose-of-law-school-ii/">The Purpose of Law School II</a>, and <a href="http://trudalane.net/2007/11/02/thinking-of-law-school-read-this/">Thinking of Law School? Read This</a> have a similar message, which is that many <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> grads earn salaries that barely cover&#8211;or fail to cover&#8211;student loan payments.  (Click <a href="http://trudalane.net/category/law-school/">here</a> for links to all of my <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a>-school related posts.)  I am not singing a new tune.</p>
<p>Still, as the legal job market deteriorated over the past year my advice became more pointed.  There are far fewer jobs for new lawyers today than there were twelve months ago.   Starting salaries are less than they were a year ago.  A friend who graduated this year from BU <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">Law</a> was hired by one of Boston&#8217;s best firms as a first-year associate with an expected salary of $160,000, to start this September.  The firm wrote last week to confirm that the incoming class will start work in January 2010, not a major delay under current conditions.  Her salary is still up in the air.  Somehow, as if my magic, the major Boston firms will all decide independently to pay incoming <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">associates</a> the same as-yet-undetermined amount.  Whatever she it is, her salary will be at the top end of the market.  She&#8217;s in the minority.  She earned top grades in college and <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law-school/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with Law School">law school</a>, worked incredibly hard, and had to pay her dues to land a big firm job.</p>
<p>Most of the prospective <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> students I advise are interested in corporate or business <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a>.  Many express their interest in working at large, national corporate firms.  Others possess the interest but are more circumspect about expressing it.  Most are unlikely to get there.  Being a lifelong B+ student does not mean you won&#8217;t have a satisfying and successful legal career, but it does mean your chances of landing a job at any of the top 100 firms in the country are miniscule.</p>
<p>Be realistic.  Do not define success by whether you (or anyone else) lands a big-firm job.</p>
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		<title>Considering Law School?</title>
		<link>http://trudalane.net/2009/09/11/considering-law-school-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Randall</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Law School]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lock the Law School Doors argues in favor of reining in law school admissions: As firms begin an industrywide overhaul, which has entailed slashing jobs and reconsidering hidebound inefficiencies like the lockstep salary, students will compete for half as many $160,000-a-year jobs this year as they did last. According to the National Association for Legal [...]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>As firms begin an industrywide overhaul, which has entailed slashing jobs and reconsidering hidebound inefficiencies like the lockstep salary, students will compete for half as many $160,000-a-year jobs this year as they did last. According to the National Association for Legal Career Professionals, the 2008 recruiting season marked “what is likely to be the beginning of a weaker legal employment market that may last for a number of years.”   Meanwhile, as job opportunities abate, <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law-school/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with Law School">law school</a> matriculation rates rise unchecked.</p></blockquote>
<p>The article takes issue with three lower-ranked <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/new-york/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with New York">New York</a> area <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> schools that claim &#8220;45 to 60 percent of their 2008 graduates who reported salary information are making a median salary of $150,000 to $160,000.&#8221;  The key to the school&#8217;s claim is <em>who reported salary information</em>.   What percentage of the graduating class is that?  How many of those who graduated into $45,000/year jobs want to report that fact to their <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law-school/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with Law School">law school</a>?  The idea that such jobs await about half of those who graduate from <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law-school/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with Law School">law school</a> is ludicrous.  The reality is that only the biggest firms pay those salaries, in the best of markets the biggest firms only hired from the cream of each year&#8217;s graduates&#8211;the top few percent, at most, from schools out of the top tier&#8211;and in this market they have significantly cut back on the number of new <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">associates</a>.  If you think such a job awaits you after <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law-school/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with Law School">law school</a> take a cold shower, read the article, and talk to some recent graduates.</p>
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		<title>No Bell</title>
		<link>http://trudalane.net/2009/07/01/no-bell/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Randall</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Legal System]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[The recession has whacked salaries of associates of big law firms, but has not reduced the disparity in starting associate salaries according to Study Shows Sharp Disparities in Law Associate Compensation.  The study is based on 2008 starting salaries.  Since 2000 starting associate salaries abandoned a bell-curve distribution for a distribution with two peaks.  The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>The recession has whacked salaries of <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">associates</a> of big <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> firms, but has not reduced the disparity in starting associate salaries according to <a target="_blank" href="http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202431891170&amp;src=EMC-Email&amp;et=editorial&amp;bu=Law.com&amp;pt=LAWCOM%20Newswire%20Update&amp;cn=LAWCOM_NewswireUpdate_20090630&amp;kw=Study%20Shows%20Sharp%20Disparities%20in%20Law%20Associate%20Compensation">Study Shows Sharp Disparities in Law Associate Compensation</a>.  The study is based on 2008 starting salaries.  Since 2000 starting associate salaries abandoned a bell-curve distribution for a distribution with two peaks.  The first is part of a small bell curve between $40,00 and $65,000 and accounts for 42% of starting salaries.  The line trends down steadily to $65,000 and then soars to a narrow peak between $160,000 and $170,000, where 23% of starting salaries lie.  A rollback in starting salaries and re-engineering of associate compensation models should move that peak to the left in coming years&#8211;it may &#8220;inch back toward the $145,000 range&#8221; flatten the curve.  In other words the low end will remain low and the high end will move closer to it.</p>
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		<title>State of the Profession</title>
		<link>http://trudalane.net/2009/05/20/state-of-the-profession/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Randall</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Law School]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone knows that the legal job market is brutal.  Firms have laid off thousands of associates and staff, cut back on new hires and summer associate programs, diverted incoming associates to public-service positions, and deferred new-hire start dates.  New York-based Stroock &#38; Stroock &#38; Lavan has added a wrinkle to the &#8220;how-can-I-miss-you-if-you-never-go-away&#8221; minuet:  it is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202430508324"></a>Everyone knows that the legal job market is brutal.  Firms have laid off thousands of <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">associates</a> and staff, cut back on new hires and <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/summer/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with summer">summer</a> associate programs, diverted incoming <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">associates</a> to public-service positions, and deferred new-hire start dates.  <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/new-york/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with New York">New York</a>-based Stroock &amp; Stroock &amp; Lavan has added a wrinkle to the &#8220;how-can-I-miss-you-if-you-never-go-away&#8221; minuet:  it is <a target="_blank" href="http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202430508324">paying incoming associates $75k to stay away</a>.  The new hires must decide now whether to take the money, payable in September and January installments, or defer until January&#8211;and hope Stroock has positions for them.</p>
<p>My first response is that of course I would take the money and go to Plan B.  Is that the glib reaction of a lawyer who left big-firm life in the rear-view mirror two decades ago?  It may be.  If I were 25, graduating this month with $100,000 (or whatever) in student loans, and believed that big-firm experience and credentials were critical to my career, I would not just grab the cash.  Working in a big firm can be a career-changer.  My years long ago at Mintz Levin provide a still-useful distinct, if dim, aura of legal achievement.  I cannot casually reject the big-firm imprimatur.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how aware new <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> students are of the transformation being wrought in the legal profession.  Everything I&#8217;ve written here over the past three years about the legal profession&#8217;s tiered nature, and the need to analyze the costs and benefits of <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> school with a gimlet eye, are truer than ever.  A <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> school degree guarantees nothing:  not financial success, not satisfying work, not professional respect, not entree to greater things.  Nothing.  I&#8217;ve written some two dozen <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> school recommendations since last September.  Am I complicit in perpetuating mass delusions about the attractiveness of a <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> degree?</p>
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		<title>Grim Career News: One-Stop Shopping</title>
		<link>http://trudalane.net/2009/03/20/grim-career-news-one-stop-shopping/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Randall</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have keen interest in the job market for recent law graduates.  My oldest son is looking for a position after his current judicial clerkship ends next fall and a 3L friend is gingerly holding a permanent Big Law job offer, fearing it may disappear with one brief email.  As a service to law students, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>I have keen interest in the job market for recent <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> graduates.  My oldest son is looking for a position after his current judicial clerkship ends next fall and a 3L friend is gingerly holding a permanent Big <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">Law</a> job offer, fearing it may disappear with one brief email.  As a service to <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> students, interested observers of the legal job market, and worried parents <a target="_blank" href="http://theshark.typepad.com/">The Shark</a> (motto:  &#8220;don&#8217;t stop swimming.  it&#8217;s <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> school&#8221;) has compiled <a target="_blank" href="http://theshark.typepad.com/weblog/2009/03/all-the-depressing-info-we-could-find-on-your-future-all-in-one-place.html">all the depressing info we could find on your future, all in one place</a>, a chart detailing which firms have rescinded offers to 3Ls, deferred 3L start dates, and closed or cut back on 2009 <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/summer/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with summer">summer</a> programs.</p>
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		<title>The Sun Always Shines II . . .</title>
		<link>http://trudalane.net/2007/11/20/the-sun-always-shines-ii/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Randall</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Legal Profession]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[. . . except when it doesn&#8217;t. A friend sent me an article from Bloomberg titled Credit Market Collapse Claims Victims as Lawyers Exit, reporting on dismissals from law firms that service structured finance, private equity, and mergers and acquisition transactions. So far the numbers of dismissals is small but expected to increase. The article [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>. . . except when it doesn&#8217;t.  A friend sent me an article from Bloomberg titled <em>Credit Market Collapse Claims Victims as Lawyers Exit</em>, reporting on dismissals from <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> firms that service structured finance, private equity, and mergers and acquisition transactions.  So far the numbers of dismissals is small but expected to increase.  The article quotes a source from Citi Private Bank&#8217;s <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> firm group:  &#8220;You&#8217;ll see firms use this slowdown as an opportunity to raise the performance bar and clean out the bottom 5 percent of their performers.&#8221;  It is indeed a schizophrenic time for BigLaw <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">associates</a>.  One day starting salaries increase to $160,000, the next senior <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">associates</a> are axed because the work isn&#8217;t there.  And <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">associates</a> aren&#8217;t the only ones feeling the pain:   &#8220;Chicago-based Mayer Brown fired or demoted 45 partners in March that the firm said were underperforming.&#8221;  No, it isn&#8217;t all <a href="http://trudalane.net/2007/11/20/the-sun-always-shines/">camel rides</a>.</p>
<p><em>Follow up 11/28:</em>  <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">Law</a>.com <a target="_blank" href="http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1196181559274">reports</a>  that, barring a quick turnaround in the credit markets, Thacher Profitt and Wood will lay off 24 non first-year <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">associates</a> in January. The 350-lawyer firm also offered 29 first-years &#8220;the option of <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/taking/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with taking">taking</a> four months severance and leaving the firm.&#8221;  The article did not report what option faces those first-years who decline the severance.    53 lawyers = 15% of firm professionals.</p>
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		<title>The Sun Always Shines . . .</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Randall</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[. . . when you are a summer associate. Last week I was comparing notes about our legal careers with an acquaintance. We met when we overlapped briefly at a large Boston firm&#8211;I was on my out the door to become general counsel with a real estate development company, he had just come in as [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>. . . when you are a <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/summer/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with summer">summer</a> associate.  Last week I was comparing notes about our legal careers with an acquaintance.  We met when we overlapped briefly at a large Boston firm&#8211;I was on my out the door to become general counsel with a real estate development company, he had just come in as a lateral from another Boston firm.  He stayed for about five years, went into private practice, and is now very happy as general counsel for a <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/travel/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with Travel">travel</a>-services company.   Our reasons for leaving BigLaw were similarly family-driven.   As he said &#8220;I got to see all of my kids&#8217; school plays, coach their baseball and basketball teams, and be part of their lives.&#8221;  I thought of this conversation and our mutual gimlet-eyed view of the BigLaw experience when I read this lead paragraph from <a target="_blank" href="http://legalblogwatch.typepad.com/legal_blog_watch/2007/11/summers-are-a-h.html">Legal Blog Watch</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/summer/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with summer">Summer</a> <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">associates</a> gave their firms overall good reviews in The American Lawyer&#8217;s <a target="_blank" href="http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1195207452828">2007 Summer Associates Survey</a>, and why shouldn&#8217;t they? After all, what&#8217;s not to like? Some found exotic adventures abroad, with one traveling four-and-a-half hours by horseback across the Egyptian desert and another put up in a fancy apartment in Paris. Others were treated to skyboxes at baseball games, cooking classes, musicals, symphony concerts, whitewater rafting trips and scavenger hunts. In <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/new-york/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with New York">New York</a>, there was Kobe beef and Picasso at the Museum of Modern Art, while in San Francisco there was helicoptering under the Golden Gate Bridge and debauchery at Half Moon Bay. All that and a paycheck of nearly $3,000 a week.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll put it like this.  None of our recollections of BigLaw life involved Paris apartments, camel rides, or helicopter rides below or above the Golden Gate Bridge.  And the debauchery did not occur at Half Moon Bay.</p>
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		<title>Lawyer&#8217;s Life</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Randall</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scraps from the briefcase for prospective law students and lawyers: Pay and Workweek Differentials by Law Firm Size from the Empirical Legal Studies blog charts the relationship between law firm size, associate salaries, and associate happiness. It reports that the median salary spread over the first eight years of the associate track amounts to $631,000 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>Scraps from the briefcase for prospective <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> students and lawyers:</p>
<blockquote><p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.elsblog.org/the_empirical_legal_studi/2007/10/pay-differentia.html">Pay and Workweek Differentials by Law Firm Size</a> from the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.elsblog.org">Empirical Legal Studies</a> blog charts the relationship between <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> firm size, associate salaries, and associate happiness.   It reports that the median salary spread over the first eight years of the associate track amounts to $631,000 for <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">associates</a> in firms with 2-25 lawyers versus those with 500+ lawyers and to $524,000 for <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">associates</a> in firms with 51-100 lawyers versus those with 500+.   It&#8217;s no surprise that big firm lawyers make more money but I&#8217;ve not seen a calculation showing exactly how much more.  It also reports that almost 47% of lawyers at 500+ firms work more than 60 hours/week.  The number of lawyers working more than 60 hours/week is 27.2% at firms with 51-200 lawyers, 19.4% at firms with 16-50 lawyers, 19.3% at firms with 5-15 lawyers, and 16.1% at firms with 1-4 lawyers.  Last, it reports that 36.2% of those in firms with 1-4 lawyers report a very satisfactory work/family balance, compared with 31.3% in firms with 5-15 lawyers, 9.7% in firms with 16-50 lawyers, 10.3% in firms with 51-200 lawyers, and 4.9%&#8211;<strong>4.9%!!!</strong>&#8211; in firms with 200+ lawyers.  I&#8217;ve summarized the findings.  Read the original for more data and analysis.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.human-law.org/humanlaw/2007/10/will-lawyers-co.html">Will Lawyers Continue to Exist?</a> at <a target="_blank" href="http://www.human-law.org">Human Law Mediation</a> blog entertains the notion that information <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/technology/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with technology">technology</a> and the ability to carve up legal work into discreet tasks&#8211;commoditization of legal work&#8211;will transform the profession.  If you want an example read this piece from Legal Affairs:  <a target="_blank" href="http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/May-June-2005/scene_brook_mayjun05.msp">Are your lawyers in New York or New Delhi?</a></p>
<p>Last, <a target="_blank" href="http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/">Tax Prof Blog</a> hashes data from the Princeton Review&#8217;s <a target="_blank" href="http://www.princetonreview.com/law/research/rankings/rankings.asp">Best 170 Law Schools</a> and<a target="_blank" href="http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2007/10/princeton-revie.html"> rates schools in categories</a> such as Professors Rock (BU is #1) and Students Lean to the Left (my alma mater Northeastern is #2).</p></blockquote>
<p>How about a survey of undergraduate business school <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/law/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with law">law</a> faculty?  Now there&#8217;s a niche market.</p>
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		<title>Like Chalk Across a Blackboard</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Randall</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If, when you were growing up, your family always said &#8220;you should be a lawyer&#8221; or &#8220;you&#8217;ll make a great lawyer some day!&#8221;, what did it mean? It meant you were an argumentative, stubborn&#8211;and possibly obnoxious&#8211;pain in the butt. Not all lawyers fit that mold&#8211;I don&#8217;t, of course&#8211;but the popular conception of attorney-as-irritant finds constant [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>If, when you were growing up, your family always said &#8220;you should be a lawyer&#8221; or &#8220;you&#8217;ll make a great lawyer some day!&#8221;, what did it mean?  It meant you were an argumentative, stubborn&#8211;and possibly obnoxious&#8211;pain in the butt.  Not all lawyers fit that mold&#8211;I don&#8217;t, of course&#8211;but the popular conception of attorney-as-irritant finds constant reinforcement.  Take these two stories:  <a target="_blank" href="http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/10/16/a-lawyer-bride-sues-her-florist/?mod=djemWLB&amp;reflink=djemWLB">A Lawyer Bride Sues Her Florist</a> (Wall Street Journal-Subscription Required) and <a target="_blank" href="http://www.law.com/jsp/law/careercenter/lawArticleCareerCenter.jsp?id=1192525408334">At Firms With &#8220;No Jerks&#8221; Rules, Abusive Attorneys Need Not Apply</a>. The first reports on <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/new-york/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with New York">New York</a> litigator Elena Elbogen&#8217;s breach of contract suit against Posy Floral Design Studios for &#8220;substitut[ing] pastel pink and green hydrangeas for the dark rust and green hydrangeas that she had specified for the centerpieces . . . using wilted and/or browned flowers, leaving the event without filling half the centerpiece vases with water, and using dusty and dirty vases.”  The bride and groom paid $27,435.14 for the flowers and are seeking $400,000 in <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/damages/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with damages">damages</a>.  Stamos Arakos, co-owner of Posy Floral Design, responded &#8220;My father used to tell me, ‘Don’t deal with lawyers.’ Maybe he was right, God bless his soul.”</p>
<p>The &#8220;No Jerks&#8221; article discusses how companies are adopting hiring and firing practices to reduce the number of abusive bosses:  <span class="text">&#8220;The emergence of these practices should be of particular interest to those working or hoping to work in the legal industry, where the only thing larger than the significant book of business may be the bearer&#8217;s ego.&#8221;  For example, Perkins Coie began dealing directly with incidents of abuse a few years ago.  &#8220;</span><span class="text"><a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/associates/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with associates">Associates</a> who frequently yell at or mistreat secretaries damage their prospects of becoming partners&#8221; and Fortune magazine named the firm in its Top 100 Best Places to Work for five years in a row.  This sounds great, and the article <a href="http://trudalane.net/tag/states/" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag" title="Posts tagged with states">states</a> firms are implementing these practices</span><span class="text"> &#8220;regardless of how many hours the offenders bill or how much business they generate,&#8221; but I&#8217;m dubious about the last statement.  I bet that a few million dollars in annual billings would still buys considerable latitude for jerky behavior in most firms.</span></p>
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